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Dragon X · May 21, 2005, 11:26 AM // 11:26

i havent been the victem of a scamm (luckily)
but i have heard of ones like that which stinks. i know right now what things i want to get. and how im going to get them. i dont think the items i want are able to be scammed unless someone is selling it for much higher price trying to rip me off. all i dont know about is what the best ranger bow is and what the best ranger armor is...if i found that out i would start getting my dyes ready.
if anyone knows add me on guild wars to their friends list and tell me please or just send me a pm.

Killbot · May 22, 2005, 02:17 AM // 02:17

"O W N A G E"
is casino scammer, watch out.

Willow · May 22, 2005, 02:55 AM // 02:55

I saw another casino scam today...

I think every casino is a scam. Either they will run with your money, or they are stacking the odds against you. (Probably both.) It's just not smart, kids.

DrSLUGFly · May 22, 2005, 05:09 AM // 05:09

I think they need a way for people to set up legit casinos... it's a cool idea.

As for the scams, I'm going to repeat what a very very few people said. I entered this thread thinking that it was warnings about people breaking into or hacking accounts. These kinds of scams are inevitable and a realistic part of any virtual world. I'm very happy to have read about these, and now I won't be suckered by them, but they add color to the world, they add life to it.

I could, however, do without people who refuse to play as a team or people who are too aggressive and insecure, leading to retardedisms online...

Corack · May 22, 2005, 09:13 AM // 09:13

It is very easy to beat/bankrupt any legit casino with enouth of a bankroll. just duble your bet every time you loos until you win then start from the beginging again.

IE start at 20, 40, 80, 160....

Doing this you will get all the money you have lost up to the point were you wont plus the equivalent of what your starting bid was. Using this method all it take is time and you will take all their cash.

SOT · May 22, 2005, 11:16 AM // 11:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Corack

It is very easy to beat/bankrupt any legit casino with enouth of a bankroll. just duble your bet every time you loos until you win then start from the beginging again.

IE start at 20, 40, 80, 160....

Doing this you will get all the money you have lost up to the point were you wont plus the equivalent of what your starting bid was. Using this method all it take is time and you will take all their cash.

Tried it. Doesn't work. NEXT!

Corack · May 22, 2005, 11:41 AM // 11:41

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Originally Posted by SOT

Tried it. Doesn't work. NEXT!

It mathmaticaly imposible for this not to work. On an casino if you win you almost always get duble you bet back when dubling you bet every time until you win the sum of all you bets including the one you made when you finaly win is equal to 2x-n were x is the bet that you made when you win and n is th value of the bet you initally started with. Thus everytime you reach the wiing bet you actually win the amount n thus, if you repeat the prossess over and over again you will win all moeny you bet plus n as many times as you repeated the cycle. If you repeat it enough you can take any casino bankroll all thought it takes time if you do not have a very large bank roll or if you have a small inital bet. All you have to do is make sure your bank roll is going to last until to reach that time that you will win with dubling you bet every time.

Also note that the formula can be shifted to suit any betting situation with diffrent payoff scales. This is the reason why almost all RL Casinos institue min/max bets at tables.

Willow · May 22, 2005, 03:36 PM // 15:36

Actually he's right. Assuming you have more (quite a bit more) money than the casino, even if the odds are against you, you'll crack them open.

Essentially you take advantage of the fact that most casinos offer their bets as open- you control when you start or stop gambling. Quit while you're ahead. With superior resources, probability states that at somepoint, you'll be winning-(but most of the way there, you'll be losing. Alot.)

The less likely the odds of winning, the higher of a multiplier of their wealth you need.

(Other than max bets, the biggest reason this doesn't work against real life casinos is that they do have more money than you.)

Lews · May 22, 2005, 04:33 PM // 16:33

I've seen so many people doing the Ashes scam its sad. I always just openly flame them though, and they just go:

"No, ask that guy, he says it works when I sold to him."

"No, its a scam. I've been playing for a while, and seen this scam for a while."

"No its not dude, ur gay."

"Do you like D2?"

"H3ll ya3h"

"Go back."

Every time I go in I see people scamming and they just keep going on about how its not a scam.

Rhine · May 23, 2005, 12:05 AM // 00:05

Just a suggestion but maybe some one should make a chart with recommended prices or a program which you could input what your trying to buy

When im selling stuff i usually end up asking guildies if im getting scammed or not.

Anyways is 300 gold each for two hilts good becuase i think i under sold them :/

Mountain Man · May 23, 2005, 12:26 AM // 00:26

It's just a game. As long as I'm happy with the price (whether buying or selling) I could care less if I'm technically under selling/over paying.

Edge Martinez · May 23, 2005, 12:27 AM // 00:27

I have a really simple way of not getting scammed. I don't buy stuff from people. We have one guy in our guild who enjoys selling things and he's fair. When I run across black dye or anything valuable, he gets it. And yes, we trust him. Furthermore, if I didn't find it or it wasn't given to me, I give it to guild members who need it. "You need a sword, but have two kick butt pommels and can't decide? Here... I found 2 15-22 swords. Take both." And if no one in the guild can use something? It's given away.

The only time I sell things is when they're too valuable to give away to someone not in the guild. Minor runes are 100, Major are 200, Superior are 300. If I am getting ripped off, so be it. 30 minutes of farming and getting 2 plat is time better spent than selling something in town for 30 minutes.

This game works alot better when you help folks out. At least that's been my experience.

DrSLUGFly · May 23, 2005, 05:01 AM // 05:01

anything I have that I don't need/want is either given to my guild (given free, regardless of item value) or salvaged. of course, I haven't started getting really valuable drops yet and I have a tendency to hoard upgrade components and dyes... but if something drops and a guildmate wants it (and I don't need it) no questions asked. Added that our guild is small. If I was in a 100 person guild then I'd probably only give to those I knew well and sell to the rest.

boranchistanger · May 23, 2005, 01:56 PM // 13:56

My guild saved 40K for a sigil to buy a guild hall. I had never seen the picture of a celestil sigil before, so I traded with this guy who ripped me off with a family sigil. That's right, a family sigil.

-Boran

Ariana Vex · May 23, 2005, 08:04 PM // 20:04

I was looking to join a guild with a blue cape w/ a dragon on it. (it HAS to fit my armor!) and this guy said he had a guild with that kind of cape and it had a website and "free items worth up to 800g" but it had a entrance fee of 800g... i am a newbie so i of course gave him 450 g (which because of my love of blue dye was all i had) and was going to get more. he kept asking for my "most valuable item" luckily i only had customized armour and a quest item left. well i was out to get the rest of the gold, and he put me on ignore. of course its only 450k, went hunting and got it back in 4 minutes

wizorack · May 23, 2005, 08:34 PM // 20:34

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Originally Posted by Ariana Vex

I was looking to join a guild with a blue cape w/ a dragon on it. (it HAS to fit my armor!) and this guy said he had a guild with that kind of cape and it had a website and "free items worth up to 800g" but it had a entrance fee of 800g... i am a newbie so i of course gave him 450 g (which because of my love of blue dye was all i had) and was going to get more. he kept asking for my "most valuable item" luckily i only had customized armour and a quest item left. well i was out to get the rest of the gold, and he put me on ignore. of course its only 450k, went hunting and got it back in 4 minutes

OMG that is the worst scam... We dont have blue capes nor a dragon.. or I would welcome you to my guild.

kaos · May 24, 2005, 01:15 AM // 01:15

LOL! I got scammed and bought those damn ashes not long ago. Oh well, 200gp lost. I just felt a little dumb for a minute.

But for the ones that scam, there are that many more that are cool. I was looking to buy one iron ignot, I just didn't want to wait and some guy took a minute to just give me one. He didn't ask for anything and still threw in 10 gp for him for the effort. I figure that's still cheaper than paying 200 for 10 when I only needed one. So props to him.

I know for a fact I'm totally underselling things, but I would rather just get rid of than try to get the highest price.

Lews · May 24, 2005, 06:50 AM // 06:50

Okay, me and a guildia tried it out once and for all. We did it with alot of ashes, and it never ever works. There, its a scam.

People are stupid though: no its not... ask him, I sold em to him, it worked.... no its not.

OrangeArrow · May 24, 2005, 09:25 AM // 09:25

I'm Not Exactly sure if this could be called a scam but i see this going on in Lion's Arch a A Lot. high level players that have been in the crystal desert or shiverpeaks taking collectors items and selling it for Some nice money.

Warning to low level players in lions arch if you see people trying to sell you goldy blue items they are probabaly collectiors items.

End game Collectors offer max damage Weapons and max energy focus with 20% skill and and faster cast in a single attribute line if you see ppl selling these items be warned.

They might be worth it if you cant wait to get there but dont overpay for these "godly" items.

at best i would pay 2-3 k for the items 1k to obtain the collectors items and another k for the trek to get to the collector.

EcPercy · May 24, 2005, 02:06 PM // 14:06

Navaros you should be ashamed of yourself.

Why would you be crying over 200g? It takes about 30 mins to an hour to get 1p.

Someone tried to sell me the ashes, but he said he wanted 2p. I told him that I would rather work for the ashes on my own than pay him 2p for something that would cost me nothing to quest for.